Podcast·2 min read

9 to 5ish: Michelle Cordeiro Grant

Feb 23, 2022

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Ever worn a really uncomfortable bra and thought “Who even invented this?” Michelle Cordeiro Grant was one of those people. She worked for major lingerie and underwear brands before starting her own, Lively, after she saw how other brands didn’t put their customer - or comfort - first. And it turns out: flipping the script worked. Lively sold out of inventory in its first two weeks. And in 2019, Lively was acquired for a casual $105 million dollars. This week, we talked to Michelle about how to listen to customers. 

On Marketing

Michelle: That is marketing at its core, right? Forget social, forget television, marketing is just humans telling humans something is awesome. And so that's really how we built the brand early on. So today I feel the same way, right? It's like paid marketing and paid influencer is definitely a part of DTC life. But at the end of the day, how do you just get humans to get excited to tell another human?

On Learning on the Fly

Michelle: I said to my husband, “I’m supposed to write a business plan…question mark. I need you to take [our daughter] out of this apartment for 48 hours.” And I'm like, “Business plan for dummies, examples of business plans.” And then I kind of realized…wait, hold on. This meeting is going to be a confidence game. I bet you they're not even going to look at this business plan if I just believe in this business plan. So then I was like: simple business plan, and just started to strip out all the formulas, all the tabs. And let's make something that I truly understand and go in with.

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